Best Thumbs

[NSixx]

Hello,

Of late I have noticed alot of times throughout a 24hr period that my best thumbs are nowhere to be seen on my site(s) ... BIG PROBLEM!

and if they are even cast they are cast towards the lower end of the page.
I am finding alot of times in the course of 24hrs my worst CTR thumbs are also getting the top spots on the page(s).

There also seems to be a problem with new thumbs added to the script. They seem to be only cast once or twice right at the bottom of the page and do not stay up for the full 30min rotation ...

Someone please explian to me how a new thumb can have these numbers.
CTR: 0
Casts: 19
Clicks: 0
LastCTR: 4

It just does not make sense those numbers .... The script is NOT working correctly and NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT ASAP

New thumbs are also only ever cast IF I use the ST switch. Sometimes these thumbs can take up to 24hr to go into the rotation, that last one or maybe 2 casts at best.

I have spoken to a few other webmasters as they have seen the same thing happen. This seems to of started happening around the first week of June 7-9th ...

With these problems my site(s) have lost alot of PROD thus traffic is down over 30% and prod is down from around the 260% to 180-200% with 200% being the exception.

I have been told by one webmaster to reset the script. I have not done this as I should not have to, the script should always have my best thumbs in the best spots automatically and new thumbs should be cast more than once if they are going to ever get a chance of becoming top thumbs. The script should run itself.

In short my prod has dropped and traffic is down and if this is a bug in the script it need to be looked at asap.

I am running both 2.02 and 2.03 on 4 sites and both versions on all sites are seeing this problem.

Can we have this situation looked at ASAP because at this rate these sites in there current condition will not grow and is just hanging onto the traffic they have now. :banghead: :banghead:

Regards

Spool

[Jimmie]

ive talked to them about it too, and Andy always gets pissed off when I have talked to him about it.....

Your right, this does seem to be a problem and needs to be fixed.... :banghead:

[HM]

Hello,

I have noticed the same problems as NSixx and Jimmie. before the script worked fine, but on (in my case) exactly June 9 the problems started to happen. Since then I have lost a lot of traffic because of prod dropping by 20-30%. Trying to figure out what's the problem, I eliminated many possible causes from the list, by talking to other webmasters. Finally, I used panic to put my top thumbs on the page and stopped rotation by changing .htaccess. The prod increased by 20-30% within several hours. So my conclusion was that not my hosting, not the weather, not the Euro 2004 Soccer, or anything else other than TM was causing my prod to be low. I also talked to Andy about it and he also got pissed or arrogant or I should say he was making fun of the problem. I never knew other users experienced this same problem, since Andy never admitted the script could be not functioning ok. I agree for the sake of other users, this needs to be fixed ASAP. And btw, if you can prove to me that TM is not the problem, I will apologize for making a "false" statement.

[NSixx]

HELLO SUPPORT ! ANYONE IN THE HOUSE !

Does not look like support is around traffic is :axe:

[Jimmie]

unbelieveable, noones responding to this thread.... :banghead:

[NSixx]

Yes and mean while the prod is crap and so is traffic ... This has become a rather serious problem and support is nowhere to be found

[Mathew]

Ok, I am sorry. There were holidays in Latvia and I wasn't visiting this board. Thanks Jimmie that you pointed me to this thread!

So here goes. I have a couple of ideas which I want to check before I state this has nothing to do with the script. So Spool, please hit me up on ICQ so I can take a look at your site.

[Mathew]

An update:

couple of domains were checked out. Technically, everything seems to be correct so I have to investigate further. Any webmasters who can report the same, please contact me on ICQ.

[fazman]

Hi Mathew, got the word you wanted some feedback from others seeing same problems.

Im new to tmanager so never thought anything about these things Id noticed, but Ive been seeing the strange click stats like below

CTR: 0
Casts: 5
Clicks: 0
LastCTR: 1

Wasnt sure how it could be possible to see a last ctr when no actual clicks had been recorded.

I also noticed on sunday that one of my most popular thumbs hadnt been cast in over 30 hours. Plus the clicking of the ST to get the new thumbs into rotation Ive had to do since day 1 of using the script. But in saying that sometimes it still takes 24 hrs to see them getting rotated in.

Anyways buzzed you on icq to chat about it, hopefully we can get it sorted out :)

thanx

faz

[Mathew]

Ok, here's explanation for one of the problems.

if you see that

Ctr = 0, Casts = X, Clicks = 0, and LastCTR = Y

This happens because of reactive clicks protection. TManager will never record clicks for thumb that is not on current image database. However users may get to click on it if they load mainpage just before thumb is dropped out because there were no clicks on it. Anyhow thumb must not be considered good if for example on 19 casts it had like 4 reactive clicks from one IP address. We have done extensive testing on this on the dawn of thumb scripts (we were there then :wink: ) and reactive clicks isn't something that should be taken into account when ordering thumbs.

I don't like to get much in depth about tmanager engine on a public board.. but I think this explains it.


Now what HAS to be investigated is the slow casting of new thumbs. Is it particular settings (on default settings, new thumbs MAY cast slowly, on the other hand, the periods you all are reporting are too slow even for default settings) AND why is that your best thumbs drop out fast.

About the second - it might be just because your surfers does click on other thumbs MORE. The thumb that appears good goes lower and lower.. less and less clicks.. and then it drops out.

Be assured that I am still working as much as I can to make exact statements about everything and possibly provide bugfixes.

[nshift]

Hello everybody, here are my :2cents:

I run fantasticnudes.com with TM Version: 2.03 [codename: Linda] © Mathew's Codeworks 2002

Since June 8, or somewhere around that date, I noticed these

1) Added 48 new thumbs and they simply wouldn't go into rotation without me manually clicking ST. They were in an inactive mode for 22 hours. From around 8PM to around 6PM next day. THAT IS NOT NORMAL.

2) New thumbs don't stay on face for full casting period (30mins) when they are added. They stay there for maybe 10 minutes max. THIS IS ALSO NOT NORMAL.

3) I see my best thumbs (thumbs that are always UP in the first 3 rows of my first thumb box) getting thrown down to the last thumb box on my page or even off the page! This has happened occasionally even before June 8 but started happening real often right after this date. To see the 8th or 11th best thumb in the database thrown off the face is NOT A NORMAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE TM.

Now, lets talk more about each of these problems. It never took longer than an hour to see new inactive thumbs being added to the page so I assume the problem is REAL.

I don't really have to write about how important it is for new thumbs to stay on face for a full casting period (30min) especially when they get added to the very bottom of the webpage. You can't grow a site with this happening!

Seeing the best thumbs being thrown off the page or down to the very bottom is the worst thing you can imagine when trying to increase your site's productivity. I always got an impression, even before June 8, that TM somehow shuffles the thumbs every now and then. Now it's doing it not just occasionally but very frequently. I know it's possible for one thumb to get down to the bottom because of something, but to see the whole first box of 26 thumbs being thrown down to the page is not normal.

I don't see how a thumb script can go crazy just all of a sudden for so many websites at the same time. It's like there's a group of 10 people driving Audi and all of a sudden those 10 Audis broke down at the very same time. It's possible but HIGHLY unprobable. And it sure raises questions whether someone somewhere isn't somehow connected to all of this. And since we all know (or should know) that TM is dependent on Andy's and Mathew's server/s it's getting more and more obvious that the problem is somewhere there since we all use different hosts.

From the date mentioned the prod. on my page started going down very rapidly and along with it my traffic.

I'm still hoping this thing can be resolved and the TM put back to its good days.

nightshift

[Mathew]

thanks nshift. That definetely helps me and I appreciate your taking your time by typing such post which is pretty long :)

some things about your post:

you mention that new thumbs doesn't go into rotation immediately. In fact that depends on the size of your database, and basically this was never a behaviour of tmanager to insert new thumbs IMMEDIATELY.

Other things you were mentioning - yes, they're NOT normal. I have an idea which I want to try, let me hit you up on ICQ. Again, such bug requires extensive testing.

[Dichotomy]

one question - is all this started to "happen" after update to tmanager gold version? and strong emphasis on UPDATE. cause so far it does not seem to affect fresh installs, just upgrades.

please try and recall.

[Mathew]

Dichotomy:

Hello,

I am running both 2.02 and 2.03 on 4 sites and both versions on all sites are seeing this problem.

Spool

[Jimmie]

My sites were updates....

[NSixx]

no upgrades here just 2.02 and 2.03 versions running

[Meadint]

one question - is all this started to "happen" after update to tmanager gold version? and strong emphasis on UPDATE. cause so far it does not seem to affect fresh installs, just upgrades.

please try and recall.

Ooops now I have weird stats as well: My by far best thumb is a very fresh one, added a couple of days ago, 6 cast, by far the best prod and by far the best last ctr ... and it has not been cast again in the last 24 hours. :confused:

This is on panty-ass.com on a brand new update to gold.

[Jimmie]

how can u tell when a thumb was last casted?

[NSixx]

I have had no updates on my sites ... still running the same 2.02 and 2.03 .... but still see these problems ... not sure its just upgrades that have this problem

[Mathew]

Here's an update on this issue.

please download

http://www.thumbsiteboard.com/h/tm/checklinks.rar

unrar, upload to your TManager folder in BINARY!!! mode and run via web browser, and post the output here.

it isn't neccessary to mention exact domain names, if you don't want to, just post the output here. Thanks!

[Mathew]

for those wondering what it is, it is a new database integrity checker.
it'll output something like XD: X SIG: 93afh....... etc.

this will help me to tell whether the problem is affecting sites with fragmented databases or with clean databases as well. Well, basically. :)

[fazman]

From glam-babes.com XD: 0, SIG: 0f840be9b8db4d3fbd5ba2ce59211f55
From gayboys18plus.com XD: 0, SIG: 1f50893f80d6830d62765ffad7721742

Hope that helps you mathew

faz

[Jimmie]

XD: 0, SIG: 67d96d458abdef21792e6d8e590244e7

[fazman]

Hi Mathew, just thought Id let you know that the last two thumb updates ive done have taken 18 hours to rotate them in and so far this last one is at 18 hours and not added at all.

I only have 450 in db. Is it possible to increase the time it takes to get them into the rotation, because its nearly getting to the point that im adding the next 20 in the next day and the last 20 are still waiting.

thanx

faz

[Mathew]

Fazman,

Tmanager is not designed so that it rotates new thumbs in immediately. That's why the ST link is for - if you need it done that way.

[Jimmie]

something weird has happened to me in the last days... I am always adding new thumbs and replacing low CTR thumbs.

well, I removed the 50 lowest CTR thumbs and added 50 new galleries.. I continue to maintain a ratio of over 1 for the lowest CTR, and the new galleries, not 1 of them has more than 5 clicks for 20 casts... IDK if its bad thumb choice or what, but I highly doubt it is 50 bad galleries, when my avg CTR for the site is over 5.

Any input is apprciated.

[fazman]

Fazman,

Tmanager is not designed so that it rotates new thumbs in immediately. That's why the ST link is for - if you need it done that way.

Thanx Mat, I was just letting you know how long it was taking without having to use the ST link. I will be using that link as soon as I finish adding new galleries from now on :)

faz

[Dichotomy]

something weird has happened to me in the last days... I am always adding new thumbs and replacing low CTR thumbs.

well, I removed the 50 lowest CTR thumbs and added 50 new galleries.. I continue to maintain a ratio of over 1 for the lowest CTR, and the new galleries, not 1 of them has more than 5 clicks for 20 casts... IDK if its bad thumb choice or what, but I highly doubt it is 50 bad galleries, when my avg CTR for the site is over 5.

Any input is apprciated.

average ctr for site is over 5? man, you cannot possibly make any prediction on sites with traffic lower than some 20-30k. that data just wont be accurate.

[Jimmie]

the traffic on the site was well abouve 20-30K, sir.

[Dichotomy]

its still possible that you added 50 thumbs that surfers dont like/seen elswhere